William and Jane Ann Taylor Hay

Notes: It is unknown why William Hay only acknowledged Andrew Davidson in his will with a bequest of $1 -- clearly there was some "bad blood" for some reason, perhaps he didn't like the remarriage after Isabella died, perhaps it had to do with a 1820/21 court case -- it is totally unknown by both Thomas Hay and Isabella Hay Davidson descendants, and is simple conjecture at this point.

Although her own birth record listed her name as "Jean," and Jean is the name on five out of six of her children's birth records (all but 1797 Margaret's which states "Jane"), the name is Jane on her marriage record, her granddaughter's name was Jane Davidson, and her tombstone is Jane Ann Taylor. Her birth record also lists her father as being of Carrsheugh, which is more widely known as Kersheugh, less than one mile from Faniehirst Castle, the home of Lord Ker. It is possible that Thomas Taylor was (one of the) tailors for the Lord Kerr family.

There is a R. Hay, widow, on the 1825 census of Montreal (#C-718, p.2081-2100). Like the American census of the time, there is no detailed information on age or place of birth. It is not thought that this is likely to be a match, as "our" Robert is thought to have emigrated circa 1818 and died circa 1818 in Canada enroute to Indiana.

Look up 12 Cranston/Cranstoun births in Linton 1785-1810!!! and in Makerstoun just before that!!!! And two marriage in Makerstoun (but none in Linton) -- FICHE-Kelso Births and christenings, A thru Z 1732-1854 FHL BRITISH Fiche 6901556-yes Marriages, A thru Z, 1818-1856 FHL BRITISH Fiche 6901557-no -- FILMS-Kelso and Makerstoun: 1067948 (Linton and Makerstoun), 0102297. -- FICHE-Makerstoun: Births and christenings, A thru Z 1692-1854 FHL BRITISH Fiche 6901386-yes Marriages, A thru Z, 1716-1854 FHL BRITISH Fiche 6901353-yes -- TAYLOR too

*Willam is thought to be an only son of Anna and Robert Hay, but there is a contradictory account that William had a married sister in Canada, perhaps with the surname Lyle. His father Robert, after his wife died circa 1818-1820, apparently went to visit this daughter in Canada enroute to Indiana when he took ill and died in Canada. The facts mentioned in various published biographies are inconsistent -- some list Robertís wifeís maiden name as Lyle, or William as an only child, or Robert visiting a son in Canada, or the date as either 1818 or 1820 -- but all do agree that the wife died in Scotland and Robert died in Canada enroute to America. It was William Perry Hay's best hypothesis, based on personal interviews with our Hay ancestors in the late 1800s/early 1900s, that Robert emigrated in 1818, to visit a married daughter in Canada, surname Lyle, and his wife's name was Turnbull. Curiously, when examining the church records of Makerstoun, there were records for three different sets of Hay's: the Hay-MacDougal family, our William and Jane, and then a single-mom Margaret Hay. The first record for Margaret is the birth of her son William in 1793. This Makerstoun record states "William Hay was Born Oct 26 1793 and Baptised Oct 27th 1793 by Mr. Hall, Minister in Kelso. The Mother's Name Margaret Hay." Very interestingly, this Mr. Hall is with the Associate Church of Kelso (seceeders), and the baptism is not in the Kelso OPRs. Then there is an apparent marriage for this William with Mary Wilson in 1812. Apparently Margaret never married William's father, because in Scotland if the mother does marry the father even post-birth, the son would change his surname -- William never did. No birth record can be located for this Margaret in Kelso, or anywhere else in Roxburghshire. No birth records of any children of William Hay could be found 1811-1835 in Roxburghshire.

Isabel Hay married James Redpath.
James Redpath, born 1774, died 1831 in Randolph County,IL (there was a christening record in Eckford,Roxburgh for James Ridpath on 6/21/1772, father William -- only a possible match) (census: 1820, age over 45 so born before 1775; 1830, age 50-60 in 1830 so born 1770-1780)
Isabel Hay, born 1768 (?), died 1818 at sea (possibly at an island on the Mississippi River?); married ~1797 (there was a christening record in Eckford,Roxburgh on 7/24/1768 for Isabel Hay, father Adam Hay -- only a possible match)(no marriage record found).
1. Redpath, Robert - baptised 5/2/1799 in LINTON,Roxburgh,Scotland; born 3/28/1799 Lilliesleaf,Roxburgh, parents James Redpath and Isabel Hay. (film#102297). Married (1) Jane Miller in 1829 and (2) Unknown Nancy -- 9+ children (1850).
2. Redpath, Isabel - baptised 3/13/1801 Yetholm,Roxburgh, parents James Redpath and Isabel Hay (film#6901570) died 12/15/1844 Randolph,IL,USA. married Frederick Holden in 1822 -- 9+ children (1850)
3. Redpath, Margaret - baptised 5/12/1802 Yetholm,Roxburgh, parents James Redpath and Isabel Hay (film#6901570) married James Watson 4/26/1827 (died before 1850?; 1+ child? living with uncle Frederick Holden in 1850)
4. Redpath, Adam - baptised 10/18/1803 Eckford,Roxburgh, parents James Redpath and Isabell Hay -- married Polly alcorn 12/29/1831, 3+ children (1850)
5. Redpath, Agnes - baptised 5/15/1806 Eckford,Roxburgh, parents James Ridpath and Isabell Hay (film#6901588) married Seth Catlin ~1832 -- unknown
6. Redpath, Christian (female) - baptised 1/18/1809 Eckford,Roxburgh, parents James Ridpath and Isabell Hay (film#6901588) -- unknown
A common naming practice in Scotland is the first son after the paternal grandfather, the second son after the maternal grandfather, the first daughter after the maternal grandmother, and the second daughter after the paternal grandmother. The presence of second son named Adam, suggests that her parents may have been Adam and Isabel, and suggests that Isabel Hay may more likely have been the daughter of Adam Hay and Isobel Newton, who baptised a son John in Linton in 1771 -- the only other Hay records found in Linton, predating our branch by 20+ years. Only one record was found: January 16, 1771 in Linton Parish -- "This day Adam Hay Herder Bankhead and Isobel Newton his spouse had a son baptised who bas born the 29th day of Dec last and called John. Witnesses: Adam Telford and Adam Telford his son." -- Adam Telford was married to Isobel Pringle, had a daughter Betty born in 1772. Note that John Pringle was the patron of Linton in the 1790s and owned about half the parish -- see Statistical Abstract. Adam is not a given name found in our branch, but Hay is a common surname in Scotland. It is unknown what relationship this Adam Hay is. While it is possible he is an uncle to William, the lack of Adam names in our branch suggests this is not the case. Given that Roxburghshire is a small county, and as a herder Adam Hay may be more mobile than a farmer, and that the presence of these two Hay families in Linton was separated by about 20 years, it is assumed they are more distant relatives, perhaps very distantly related. It is assumed that if William's sister's family were so close by in IL (to IN) that they may have visited or at least have known about them. Then again, there was no mention in family stories of Jane Ann Taylor's sister Janet Swan, a co-founder of the Carmel Church!

Dr. Redpath was born January 19, 1860 in Cowlitz County, Washington on his father's homestead, near the present town of Kelso. His grandfather, Adam Redpath, was born in Scotland in 1803. In 1818, he came to America with his parents, James and Isabel (Hay). She died and was buried at sea. They settled in Randolph County, Illinois, in 1821. Adam and his two sons, James and Robert came West around 1852 and settled on a Donation Claim in Cowlitz County, Washington. Their claim was adjacent to the Dr. Nathaniel Ostrander claim, and in 1856 James Redpath married Priscilla Catherine Ostrander. They had two children, Nathaniel James born January 19, 1860, and Lilly born in 1857. The family moved to Albany, Oregon where his father had a market until his death in 1869. Mrs. James Redpath, with her two children moved back with her parents, Dr. and Mrs. Nathaniel Ostrander, at Freeport, Washington, for about two years then returned to Albany, Oregon. She worked as a seamstress to support her children. Nathaniel worked at any job he could to help support the family and gain his education. He attended a private school because his first day in public school he was seated with a young negro. His mother being from Missouri could not tolerate this so he attended a private school. In 1879, Mrs. Redpath married Mr. Charles Bruce Montaque, a widower with six children. They moved to Lebanon, Oregon, where Mr. Montaque was in the mercantile business and had real estate holdings.
Young Nathaniel worked hard for his education. Among the various jobs he held were working as a Telegraph operator and in his grandfather Dr. Ostrander's drugstore in Tumwater. He attended Albany Collegiate Institute, at this time he decided on a life devoted to the Medical Profession. He attended the Medical Department of Willamette University, graduated from Jefferson Medical College - Philadelphia, Pennsylvania in 1887.
In 1882, he married Anna R. Bridgford, a sister of Dr. Wayne Bridgford. He was in charge of a general mercantile store for one year at that time. After graduation from Jefferson Medical College in 1887, he immediately opened his office in Olympia, Washington. However, in September of that year he was offered a position at the Western State Hospital for the Insane, located at Fort Steilacoom, Washington. He stayed there until 1896. While there he had a most interesting life and learned a great deal about treatment of mental patients. However, his wife died there and he did not want to continue. He took a position as ship's doctor on a sailing vessel to Japan. At the time he left Western State Hospital, the patients gave him a beautifully carved oak cabinet for his surgical instruments. The initials N.J.R. are carved as part of the decoration on the cabinet. Also, the staff gave him a beautiful sterling silver water pitcher tray and goblet as a token of their appreciation of his friendship and devotion to patients and staff alike.
In 1897, he again opened an office in Olympia for practice of medicine and surgery. His offices were located in the Chambers Building at the Northeast corner of 4th and Main Streets. He remained in these offices until he purchased a building known as the Columbia Building located at 206-208 East 4th Avenue. He remained in that office until his death in April 1924. He was always eager to leave and better himself for the good of his professional ability. He took many post graduate courses such as N.Y. Post-graduate Institute, Philadelphia Polyclinic and later Columbia University and Mayo's Clinic.
He enjoyed swimming, tennis, golf, photography and fishing. In 1903 he married Miss Lucy Elizabeth Maynard, daughter of Mary Alice (Buchanan) and Charles W. Maynard. Mr. Maynard was at that time Treasurer for the State of Washington. Their previous home having been Chehalis, Lewis County, Washington. The Maynard home was located on the north side of 11th Avenue across from the old St. Peters Hospital. A most convenient spot for Dr. Redpath to drop in for a cup of coffee after his hospital rounds. Dr. and Mrs. Redpath had three children, 1 - Catherine Alice born July 22, 1906, 2 - James N. born 1909 but he died at 10 months of age. The third child was Nathaniel J. Jr., born December 7, 1910.
Both Dr. and Mrs. Redpath were active in civic affairs. He was a member of Pierce County Medical Association, Thurston-Mason County Medical and Washington State Medical Association. He was Past Master of the local Masonic Lodge #1 F & AM, member of the Afifi Shrine and 32nd degree Mason. Also an original member of the Olympia Golf and Country Club and local Elks Club.
Dr. Redpath's life extended over an interesting period of time in our transportation, from the days of the horse and buggy, bicycle, motorcycle, and finally the automobile. Before the automobile became the general means of transportation, the doctor was expected to go to the patient rather than the reverse as is common practice today. Names such as Gate, Malone, Oakville, Tenino, Porter, Rochester, Yelm, Rainier, Littlerock, Tono, Bucoda, Kamilche, McKenna and many others were well known in the Redpath household. Much of the time the calls for help came from places with no other direction as to how to reach them than by the names of farmers along the way. In those days appendix were apt to be removed by the light of a kerosene lamp with the kitchen table used as the operating table. Babies were born at home - not in a hospital. Many times Dr. Redpath would drive himself or ride his bicycle to the end of the road, where he would be met by someone in a rowboat or a launch to take him across a river or across the bay to the home of the ailing patient. Sometimes he would find an entire family stick with say smallpox. He would often stay with them for several days if no other aid were available. His patients seemed to love him for his kindness and devotion as well as professional knowledge. One incident Dr. Redpath enjoyed telling concerned an Indian and his wife; the wife had suffered a broken leg. The couple lived in a small one room house at Kamilche. When the doctor entered the room, it was so dark he could hardly see. He finally located the bed, only to discover the husband, who pointed to a heap of rages in the corner of the room. When Dr. Redpath went over to the corner he discovered his patient. Upon investigation he found the broken leg seemed to be in perfect position and was bandaged expertly with a bandage of kelp. It is my understanding the bandage was left intact and resulted in a perfect healing. However, during his diagnosis the doctor wanted to compare the broken leg with the normal one to check the amount of swelling. However, at this time the husband, who had been watching from the bed, called to the doctor "Only one! Only one!"
These were also days of the booming logging camps. Many terrible accidents occurred due to the lack of safety features in the logging methods used. Bordeaux, Mud Bay Camp #2, McCleary, Shelton, Vail and Fir Tree were among the many places calling for help. Shelton eventually established a very fine small hospital which made treatment of many logging accidents much simpler and I'm sure helped in saving many lives. The hospital was made possible through the generosity of Mark Reed.
Then came the era of the shipyards with more crippling accidents. This was during the days of World War I. Many a time in the middle of the night, a worker would awaken Dr. Redpath to remove a piece of steel from his eye. This same period was the time of the very real "flu" epidemic. This "flu" struck very suddenly, a worker would often leave the shipyards and by the time he reached the doctor's office he would have a temperature of 1030 or 1040. Hospitals were full and patients had to be cared for at home. House calls could not possibly be completed in the course of a normal day, in fact there were times when it was almost continuous day and night.
How the medical men of these days managed to survive as long as they did is a marvel to me. They must have received a great deal of satisfaction from the knowledge that they were doing their best to serve mankind.
[Ed. note: The Redpath home built at the turn of the century on southwest corner of 7th Avenue and Washington is now located on southeast corner of Water and 17th Avenue. It still contains the original furnishings which are receiving loving care by its current owner.]

I suspect that Robert and Anna Hay were secessionists; I am certain William and Jane Taylor Hay were along with Margaret -- I suspect that Margaret could be our William's sister, and that she could then have moved to Canada after 1812, perhaps with her son William and his wife, and perhaps even with her father Robert (at age ~80, he seems to be rather old to undertake such an arduously long trip alone -- in those days the sailing ships usually took 5-8 weeks to cross the Atlantic). Passenger lists are sporadic from this time period: In America lists were mandated to be kept as of 1820; in Canada it was 1865. Check the Kelso Associated church minutes for Dec 1793 to see if they write about Margaret.

William Perry Hay believed the William Hay ancestors were related to the "Tweedale Hay" family in the Southeastern part of Scotland that borders on England. No records could be found even to link William and his father Robert to the generation before, so a link to this peerage of previous generations will be hard, if not impossible, to find. The 1885 Bureau County entry for Robert's grandson Robert says the family was from the "lowlands of Scotland"; the 1901 Henry County entry says that Robert's son Thomas was "born in Kelso, Scotland, on the river Tweed."

William Perry Hay mentions in his Hay genealogy book that his cousin Lloyd Hay of Princeton, Illinois told him (by letter, probably circa 1930s/40s) that he had "seen in some parish register in Curry, Scotland, the name Robert Hay and assumed that it was that of this Robert." It was not remembered whether this was a birth, marriage or death record. However, the OPR record index for Currie was examined for births and marriages, and no Robert Hay record was found. There are 12 birth records (Andrew 1848 -- to John Hay and Anne Hamilton; Cathrine 1667 -- to Charles Hay and Jean Aytoun; George 1800 and John 1802 -- to John Hay and Janet Bell; James 1841 and Janet 1843-- to John Hay and Anne Hamilton; John 1812 -- to David Hay and Margaret Duncan; Margaret 1724 -- to William Hay and Elspeth Hamilton; and Betty 1748, James 1746, Mary 1758 and Walter 1750 -- to John Hay and Janet Miln) and 5 marriage records (1742-1838 -- Susan, John, Mary, Daniel and Elizabeth) (the death records were not indexed yet); Robert is supposed to have died in Canada by family story, so if in fact it is a death record, it should not be for our Robert. Robert Hay is a fairly common name in Scotland -- there were 68 Robert Hay's born in Scotland in 1720-1750 as registered in the OPRs. Currie (there is no Curry) is in Midlothian -- about 10 miles SW of Edinburgh and 45 miles NW of Kelso. It is assumed that whatever record he saw was not one for "our" Robert Hay. Perhaps look to see if death records are available in the off chance that there is a death record for Anna Turnbull, wife of Robert Hay circa 1818 -- perhaps on their way to emigrating to America.

There is a lack of firm information about Jane and William's first two childen, and conflicting stories. The first child, Annie, in one account was said to have married a Davidson. It is thought that this story was confused with Isabella who did marry a Davidson in Scotland. There is the possibility, totally unsubstantiated and simply conjecture, that Andrew Davidson first married Annie and upon her death married Bella -- Andrew was born June 1789, which makes him 18 months younger than Annie, making this conjecture improbable. It is believed that Annie died young as the second Ann, born 21 years later, would most likely not have been named Ann if the first were still alive. Of all the children, only Annie's birth was recorded in Makerstoun, and the subsequent five children were recorded in Linton -- however, John's entry was delayed, and perhaps also Bella's, so it is likely that John may have been born in Makerstoun, and possible that Bella was too. John is said to have been a school teacher (and a poacher) and did not marry, so a great-aunt of William Perry Hay told him. But other stories include a marriage for John, and there is a likely record for John marrying Sophie Murdoch in Scotland. All accounts agree that neither John nor Annie had children. While Annie is assumed to have died prior to Ann's birth in 1809, John is assumed to have died before the 1811 emigration.

**It is thought that Margaret, a child unmentioned in family stories but found in the OPRs, died as an infant. There is a marriage record for Margaret Hays marrying George Hillis in 1826 in Jefferson County, IN, and some researchers who have found this marriage record have thought it might be for "our" Margaret, but it is a virtual certainty it is not -- 1. the surname is Hays and not Hay; there were two unrelated Hays families in Jefferson County in 1820 who had daughters of marrying age (according to census data); 2. Margaret would be "old" at 28 for a first marriage in that her sisters were 18-20 upon marriage; 3. she is not listed in William's house in the 1820 census; 4. neither she nor any children of hers are listed in William's 1849 will (while Isabella's widowed husband and children are mentioned); 5. no census data or cemetery records have been located to confirm a William Hay relationship; and most importantly: 6. No family story has even mentioned any Margaret at all; if she had emigrated and married in America, surely she would have been more remembered than John or Annie, especially by her brother Thomas who would have been just 2 years younger. Since William Perry Hay's (1871-1947) research, based on interviews with Thomas' children, mentions both Annie and John but not Margaret, it is assumed that Margaret died as a young infant in Scotland -- her brother Thomas, just 2 years younger, had not mentioned her to any of his children, while he had told stories about all his other siblings, even Annie and John who were much older and who died in Scotland when he was just a child.

Genealogist William Perry Hay (1871-1947) had initially thought that Thomas was the oldest, and emigrated in 1811 at age 11. Therefore, since there were family stories of two older children who were supposedly married in Scotland, he thought these two might be products of an earlier marriage for either William or for Jane, since there was an age gap of approximately 10 years, and both William and Jane were old to start a family in their mid/late 30's. Once he learned that Isabella was older, he revised this thought. There is no indication that there was any former marriage for either William or Jane. William Perry Hay had never obtained any Scottish records. For William Perry Hay's final thoughts on William's possible daughter and his wife's maiden name, see notes on Robert and William Hay. Isabella is thought to have married Andrew Davidson in Scotland, but there is also a story that the marriage took place in America.

The emigration of our Scottish ancestors has also had various stories handed down, that have all been formally published. The year has been told as 1811, 1812 or 1813. Some stories say that William came first and Jane and the children later. Most say they landed in Philadelphia and some say New York. From records that remain, it is the most likely that they did all emigrate together in 1811 and they landed in NY, made their way to Philadelphia, then Pittsburgh (over land) and then obtained a flat bottom boat and went down the Ohio River to Indiana. The most complete published biographical account is from the 1910 History of Henry County, IL by Henry Kiner, p.623 - "Francis Marion Hay. ... He was born in Saluda township, Indiana January 22, 1833, a son of Thomas and Sarah (Maiden) Hay. The former was born on a farm in the vicinity of Edinburgh, Scotland, October 26, 1800, and was a lad of eleven when his parents joined a company of about a hundred who emigrated to America. They landed at New York whence they went to Philadelphia, thence to Pittsburg [sic], where they secured a flat boat and floated down the river to Hanover, Indiana. There they disembarked and William Hay, the grandfather of F. M. Hay, secured a tract of land from the government, which remained his home during the rest of his life. He died at the advanced age of eighty-six years. ..." . Additionally, the 1885 Bureau County history states that they were "in company with a number of Scotch Seceders, mostly of the Hay and Taylor families." Philadelphia passenger lists are available; none contained any Hay, Swan or Davidson, indeed, none contained any large group. The New York lists are only available as of 1820. Finally, the Carmel records show that these ancestors and their siblings/friends were the founding "First Communicants" of the Carmel Church in 1812 -- so the 1813 immigration date is clearly wrong. While there are not passenger lists with names in either New York or Scotland/England, Scotland did keep track of each sailing ship and its cargo for tax reasons. The only likely possibility is the Hindustan based on a book by David Dobson that examines all newspaper records as well as Exchequer records -- a ship sailing in August 1811 with 86 passengers.

Note that the History of the Carmel Congregation (26 page pdf file) of the United Presbyterian Church written upon its 70th anniversary in 1882, states "...The history of this congregation of Carmel is identified with the history of the Associate Church which was born 150 years ago next October, in Scotland, of a revolt against tyranny and a decline of piety in the established Church...." Clearly, members who composed the congregation at its organization, John and Jennet Swan, Thomas and Mary Taylor, and William and Jane Hay, would have been members of the Associate Church in Scotland, and this is likely why many of their church records have not been found there. It is of interest that one of the early preachers was Rev. Robt. Armstong, who left Kentucky on account of slavery, seeking a more congenial place. "Doubtless the first preaching in this neighborhood was by Mr. Fulton at the house of Mr. George Shannon, Sen., on the hills overlooking the Ohio River near Bethel Church. Here was gathered that little band of Seceders..."

In an unknown source book (I mistakenly did not xerox the front page or write the name on my copies), I loved the information on the early history of the Carmel and Bethel Churches. The Bethel Church split off from the Carmel church in 1828. Its charter members included John and Jennet Swan (Carmel-Bethel histories). It mentions that the Carmel neighborhood, SW of Bethel, was settled by "the Presbyterians of a sterner sort, commonly called Seceders. I must be permitted to say of these settlers of both neighborhoods, that, according to my remembrance and observation, they were the most orderly, industrious, and religious people I have ever found among pioneers of any country." The last paragraph is a hoot: Rev. John McGill, pastor of the Bethel church in the 1830s, said of the differences between the two churches: "One sings David's Psalms and the other the Psalms of David."

Linton is 4 miles SE of Kelso -- see map. Above names and birthdates were taken from Scottish registry records, except for Ann whose record was not found anywhere in Scotland. It is particularly disappointing that no birth record has ever been found for William, or a marriage record for his parents, so that further ancestral research could be possible. However, there are some likely possibilities from the records that are extant -- see Hay Ancestors. On the other hand, the Taylor Ancestry are more definitively known.

Cemetery records in Indiana: Carmel and Bethel

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