William and Jane Ann Taylor Hay


Jane Ann Taylor

William Hay

Parents: Ann Cranston? & Thomas Taylor

Parents: Anna Turnbull?* & Robert Hay

Born: May 7, 1765 Kersheugh, Jedburgh, Roxburghshire, Scotland (certificate)

Born: January 19, 1763 near Kelso, Roxborough, Scotland

Married: June 1787 William Hay "irregularly" in Cornhill, Northumberland, England and listed in Makerstoun, Roxburghshire, Scotland (records)

Married: June 1787 Jane Ann Taylor "irregularly" in Cornhill, Northumberland, England and listed in Makerstoun, Roxburghshire, Scotland (records)

Emigrated: 1811, Scotland to NY probably on the Hindustan

Emigrated: 1811, Scotland to NY probably on the Hindustan

Naturalized: 1818 in Jefferson County, IN (court record)

Died: September 4, 1845, Saluda, IN

Died: October 12, 1849, Saluda IN (will)

Interred: Carmel Cemetery, Jefferson County, IN (tombstone)

Interred: Carmel Cemetery, near Hanover, IN (tombstone)

Occupation: Farmer

Genome: Hay genome

"The Scots are a people who are proud, self reliant, hardy, sometimes isolationist, thrifty by necessity, well respected militarily, sometimes fatalistic and melancholy, slow to change, but enthusiastic once a new idea has caught them. They have hearty appetites for food and drink and other earthly pursuits; a strong love of their traditional literature, folk stories, music and dance; and an almost contradictory love for their Calvinist Kirk. Although their loyalties may seem fickle to the casual observer of their history, their deep and abiding loyalties have always been with the preservation of their kin, their ancestral lands and ultimately, their own sovereignty. -- Scotland Online, 2007

"The dates of birth and death of Jane Ann Taylor are from her tombstone [birth record states May 6th]. Of her parents no information has come down to me except that her father's name was Thomas. She was probably from in or near the town of Kelso [actually Jedburgh] and came to America probably in 1811, with her husband and their four youngest children. There is a story, however, that she and the children crossed the ocean in 1813, two yeas after the father had come to this country [not true]. She is said to have had a sister Nellie [no birth record found], who died on the voyage to America, and two brothers, Cranston and Robert, the former becoming a farmer and slave owner in Kentucky, and the latter following his trade of tailor in Jefferson Co., Ind." "I have never learned anything about Thomas Taylor, Jane Ann’s father, and the supposition that his wife was a Cranston is based only upon the use of that name by one of her sons and one or two of later generations." -- William Perry Hay (1871-1947).

"William Hay is believed to have come to America in 1811, bringing with him his wife and four of his six [actually 7] children [ages 2-19]. Two children are said to have remained in Scotland, and I suspect they had died before the rest of the family left. ... They that came to this country are supposed to have landed in Philadelphia [actually NY, then to Phily], where they made their way to Pittsburgh and then by boat down the Ohio River to Jefferson County, Indiana where they settled and where most of them died. The farm on which they lived was about a mile west of the present hamlet of Saluda. The farm is a part of the property of a Mrs. Getty. It was later occupied by Thomas Hay." -- William Perry Hay (1871-1947). William’s mother Anna supposedly died prior to 1818, and then his father Robert emigrated (at about age 80!) but died in Canada on his way to Indiana -- see notes below. Surprisingly, no birth record has been found for William, or marriage record for his parents; it is assumed they were secessionists (see below).

Taylor tartans

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Census data: 1820, 1830, 1840

Census data: 1820, 1830, 1840

William Perry Hay's "Hay Genealogy" book
William Perry Hay's 1941 notes


Children:

Name

Date of Birth, Place

Date of Death, Place

Married - date and to whom

# children

1. Annie

<1/27/1788 Makerstoun, Scotland

<1809 Scotland

n/a (Davidson?)

0

2. John

11/7/1789 Makerstoun/Linton, Scotland

<1811 Scotland

Sophie Murdoch?

0

3. Isabel "Bella"

3/6/1792 Makerstoun/Frogden, Linton, Scotland

9/25/1826 Saluda, IN

~1811 Andrew Davidson

6

4. Margaret

11/27/1797 Old Frogden, Linton, Scotland

died young**, Scotland

n/a

0

5. Thomas

11/26/1800 Linton, Scotland

7/2/1885 Annawan, IL

11/23/1820 Sarah Maiden

11

6. Elizabeth Dawson

3/25/1804 Linton, Scotland

4/2/1864 Saluda, IN

4/8/1824 Samuel B. Wells

9

7. Ann

7/7/1809 Scotland

10/3/1886 Saluda, IN

10/12/1827 Andrew Getty, 2/27/1849 James Oldfield

6

Grandchildren

Notes: Although her own birth record listed her name as "Jean," and Jean is the name on five out of six of her children's birth records (all but 1797 Margaret's which states "Jane"), the name is Jane on her marriage record, her granddaughter's name was Jane Davidson, and her tombstone is Jane Ann Taylor. Her birth record also lists her father as being of Carrsheugh, which is more widely known as Kersheugh, less than one mile from Faniehirst Castle, the home of Lord Ker. It is possible that Thomas Taylor was (one of the) tailors for the Lord Kerr family.

The "irregular" marriage of William and Jane is a conundrum. Although there were many irregular marriages along in the borders of Scotland, this was usually the reverse -- English/Welsh couples getting married in Scotland, not Scottish couples marrying in England (source). Sadly, theirs was the only Makerstoun record that does not list the minister's name. And theirs was the only irregular marriage on that page in England; the other three were in Edinburgh. And the marriage has not been found in the Cornhill,Northumberland records. Since William was known to be from Makerstoun and Jane from Jedburgh, it is not likely to be due to family in England. It is likely to be some sort of secession church, perhaps even Quaker (see below).

There are conflicting stories about what happened to the first two children; indeed, William Perry even speculated in his early research that perhaps these two children belonged to a first marriage (as he had not had access to the Scottish records). There was at least one account of Anne marrying a Davidson in Scotland (perhaps confused with Isabel). John is said to have been a school teacher (and a poacher); one account says he did not marry, another says he did (there is a possible match of a marriage record for John Hay and Sophie Murdoch). All accounts agree that neither John nor Annie had children. While Annie is assumed to have died prior to Ann's birth in 1809, John is assumed to have died before the 1811 emigration. There is no indication that there was any former marriage for either William or Jane. See William Perry Hay's summary and notes

Isabella is thought to have married Andrew Davidson in Scotland, but there is also a story that the marriage took place in America. The first child was born 5/30/1812 in Indiana; it is thought she immigrated married and pregnant in Aug-Oct 1811 (see ship). It is unknown why William Hay only acknowledged Andrew Davidson in his will with a bequest of $1 -- clearly there was some "bad blood" for some reason, perhaps he didn't like the remarriage after Isabella died, perhaps it had to do with a 1820/21 court case -- it is totally unknown by both Thomas Hay and Isabella Hay Davidson descendants, and is simple conjecture at this point.

**Margaret is a child unmentioned in family stories but whose christening was found in the OPRs (Old Parish Records of Scotland). As quoted above, William Perry Hay (1871-1947) only counted six children, including Annie and John, and excluding Margaret. Although there is a marriage record for Margaret Hays marrying George Hillis on 1/3/1826 in Jefferson County, IN, and some researchers who have found this marriage record have thought it might be for "our" Margaret, it is a virtual certainty it is NOT a match, due to the surname (Hays not Hay), census data (Margaret not on 1820 Hay census; other Hays families in Jefferson), age, and family stories -- see notes. Since Margaret is unmentioned in any family oral histories, it is assumed she died as an infant, such that her brother Thomas, three years younger, had no recollection of her.

Margaret's 1797 birth record page has entries for children of Alexander Cranston and his wife Isabel Hunter immediately before and after Margaret's entry: Adam in 1793, Agnes in 1795 before, and Robert in 1798 after. Robert Cranston marries Margaret McDougall in 1820 in Scotland and subsequently moves to Ontario,Canada sometime between 1826 and 1836. And, weirdly, children to George Taylor and Margaret Smith are on the record book immediately after Robert Cranston's for births in 1774 and 1780. Obviously this book was not maintained in date order; perhaps it was for late christenings? There is no positive relationship found for Alexander Cranston or George Taylor to our Cranston-Taylor ancestors. In Jedburgh where Jane was from, and whose mother's name is thought to be Ann Cranston, there was the following entry at the bottom of 1774 page which lists the following birth: John Cranston, taylor in Jedburgh and Jenet Waugh his wife had a son born August 12, 1765 and baptised the Sabbath the 15 named George. Witnesses Thomas Storie, smith in Jedburgh and George Waugh, the child's grandfather. There has been no positive relationship found for John Cranston to our ancestors either.

Ann's 1809 baptism record has not been located in the OPRs anywhere in Scotland. All biographies and census data confirm she was born in Scotland. It is assumed that the family had already left Linton, or the trip was imminent. It is assumed her birth was not recorded as they were imminently planning their emigration, and were secessionists; it is possible her birth was recorded in a secessionist record.

The emigration of these Scottish ancestors has also had various stories handed down, that have all been formally published. The year has been told as 1811, 1812 or 1813. Some stories say that William came first and Jane and the children later. Most say they landed in Philadelphia and some say New York. From records that remain, it is the most likely that they did all emigrate together in 1811 and they landed in NY, made their way to Philadelphia, then Pittsburgh (over land) and then obtained a flat bottom boat and went down the Ohio River to Indiana, likely on the Hindustan -- which sailed in August 1811 with 86 passengers. In those days, the sailing ships usually took 5-8 weeks to cross the Atlantic.

*Willam is thought to be an only son of Anna and Robert Hay, but there is a contradictory account that William had a married sister in Canada, perhaps with the surname Lyle. His father Robert, after his wife died circa 1818, apparently went to visit this daughter in Canada enroute to Indiana when he took ill and died in Canada. The facts mentioned in various published biographies are inconsistent -- some list Robert’s wife’s maiden name as Lyle, or William as an only child, or Robert visiting a son in Canada, or the date as either 1818 or 1820 -- but all do agree that the wife died in Scotland and Robert died in Canada enroute to America (note that he would have likely been in his late 70's at the time, assumed to be born circa 1740 -- old to make such an ardously hard trip alone). It was William Perry Hay's best hypothesis, based on personal interviews with our Hay ancestors in the late 1800s/early 1900s, that Robert emigrated in 1818, to visit a married daughter in Canada, surname Lyle, and his wife's name was Turnbull.
• There is a R. Hay, widow, on the 1825 census of Montreal (#C-718, p.2081-2100). Like the American census of the time, there is no detailed information on age or place of birth. It is not thought that this is likely to be a match, as "our" Robert is thought to have emigrated circa 1818 and died circa 1818 in Canada enroute to Indiana.
• William Perry Hay mentions in his Hay genealogy book that his cousin Lloyd Hay of Princeton, Illinois told him (by letter, probably circa 1930s/40s) that he had "seen in some parish register in Curry, Scotland, the name Robert Hay and assumed that it was that of this Robert." Robert Hay is not an uncommon name, and our branch has no ties to Currie, Midlothian, Scotland; it is not thought this is a match -- see notes
• there are two possibilities for a sister for William:
1. In Makerstoun, there were records for three different sets of Hay's: the Hay-MacDougal family, our William and Jane, and then a single-mom Margaret Hay. The first record for Margaret is the birth of her son William in 1793. This Makerstoun record states "William Hay was Born Oct 26 1793 and Baptised Oct 27th 1793 by Mr. Hall, Minister in Kelso. The Mother's Name Margaret Hay." Very interestingly, this Mr. Hall is with the Associate Church of Kelso (seceeders), and the baptism is not in the Kelso OPRs. However, there is no indication of her emigration; the connection is by place and time alone, and the fact that the mother and child's names are not inconsistent with our branch.
2. There is an Isabelle Hay who married James Redpath, had children baptised in Linton circa 1800 while our branch was in Linton, and who immigrated to America in 1818; Isabelle died on the trip and was buried at sea. Isabelle is also a consistent name, and she did name her first-born son Robert. The link to an 1818 immigration is of interest. However the Redpath family settled in Illinois, not Canada. So their tie to Linton may be religious (secessionism - see below) and not familial -- see notes.

I suspect that Robert and Anna Hay were seceeders; I am certain William and Jane Taylor Hay were. It is thought their "irregular" marriage was due to it being performed by a secessionist minister (unfortunately his name was left blank on the 1787 Makerstoun record). It is known that the Carmel Church, of which William and Jane were "First Communicants" in 1812, derived from the "Associate Church which was born 150 years ago next October, in Scotland, of a revolt against tyranny and a decline of piety in the established Church." And an 1885 Bureau County history states that they were "in company with a number of Scotch Seceders, mostly of the Hay and Taylor families." Unfortunately, the secessionist records were not as well-maintained at the time, nor survived as well, as the official OPR records. Therefore, no birth record for William or his sister have been located, and no marriage record for his sister either, so that further ancestral research is not possible. However, there are some likely possibilities from the records that are extant -- see Hay Ancestors. On the other hand, the Taylor Ancestry are more definitively known.
--- Makerstoun parish records: #1067948 Items 3-4 and 102297 Item 3 (Baptisms, 1692-1854; Marriages, 1716-1854; Burials, 1785-1805; first film is the preferred film).

However, they may have been Quakers. It is known that they admired William Dawson who pioneered new farming practices; new practices were anathema to the seceeders. Since the only early Quaker meeting I can find in Roxburgh is in Kelso, I am thinking this is why all the family stories mentioned Kelso and not Linton. I can not find the Hays in the OPRs in Kelso; perhaps they are in the Kelso Quaker records.
--- Quaker records not at Archives: "The church collections form a significant proportion of the holdings of the National Archives of Scotland (NAS). The material dates from the 16 century onwards and includes a small number of records from the pre-Reformation era. The NAS is the recognised national repository for records of the Church of Scotland, and its constituent predecessor churches. We also hold on deposit a small proportion of the records of other Protestant denominations, including the Methodist, Congregational/United Reformed and Scottish Episcopal churches, the Unitarian Church and the Society of Friends (Quakers)."
--- Scotland was not subject to the non-Parochial Registers Acts, but did make a Digest in 1867 similar to the registers for England and Wales. The digest and meeting records are kept at the Scottish Record Office in Edinburgh.
--- Until 1786 there were two YMs -- at Aberdeen and Edinburgh. After 1786 there was the North Britain Half Years Meeting, renamed the Scotland General Meeting in 1807. (source)>br> ---Kelso Quaker Records: Society of Friends, Quakers (Ref - CH10/1/25) Births 1622 to 1787. Marriages 1749,1753, 1778 (3 entries). Deaths 1667 to 1695 and 1795. Minutes of Meetings 1748 to 1791. Visitors to Kelso meetings 1749 to 1795 (at the The Scottish National Archives, Edinburgh)(as posted on the Borders Family History Society website).
--- FHL #441406 #3, in LA (but not there -- they lost it and several other English microfilms, and will not look for it for two years -- told to me on 3/8/2013 -- copied by Gilbert Cope -- Includes the Monthly Meeting Aberdeen, Edinburgh, Hamilton, Glasgow, Kelso, Kinnuck, Ury, West Scotland.
--- perhaps Ann's 1809 birth may be found in a Quaker record in Edinburgh or elsewhere, and this is why some accounts state the family was from Edinburgh.
--- I have contacted a Quaker genealogist to examine the Kelso registers to look for William's birth, William's marriage, and his parents' marriage -- the marriages will not be found; hopefully the birth will. He only looked for the marriage record -- no quaker record found.

The following message has been sent to the General Register Office for Scotland (Records): I live in America (Los Angeles), and can only access Scottish Quaker records here for ~1650s-1728. My ancestors emigrated in 1811 from Linton, near Kelso (via Edinburgh and Greenock). I know they lived in Old Frogden near Linton 1790-1809, and Makerstoun prior to that. (http://haygenealogy.com/hay/taylor-hay.html) I know William Hay and Jane Ann Taylor were married irregularly in 1787. I can not find William's birth record in 1763 in the OPRs or the secessionist church records I have located. I wish to check specifically the Kelso Quaker records, but if nothing is found there, the other seven MMs. Do you have any plans to digitize these records, or somehow make them available to persons abroad? I would greatly appreciate any advice you can lend me. Sincerely, Donna Hay

William Perry Hay believed the William Hay ancestors were related to the "Tweedale Hay" family in the Southeastern part of Scotland that borders on England. No records could be found even to link William and his father Robert to the generation before, so a link to this peerage of previous generations will be hard, if not impossible, to find. The 1885 Bureau County entry for Robert's grandson Robert says the family was from the "lowlands of Scotland"; the 1901 Henry County entry says that Robert's son Thomas was "born in Kelso, Scotland, on the river Tweed."

Scottish surnames as we know them today -- family names passed down intact from father to son to grandson -- were first introduced into Scotland by the Normans about the year 1100. Such hereditary names were not universally prevalent and settled, however. The use of fixed Scottish surnames (last names that didn't change with each generation) wasn't really in prevalent use until the 16th century, and it was well into the late 18th century before surnames were common in the Highlands and northern isles. Surnames in Scotland generally developed from four major sources:
• geographical -- the village name. This is the most common surname, and started with great landowners, and evolved into lesser people assuming the name of the place (street, estate, village) in which they lived
• patronymic -- named after the father. In the highlands of Scotland, a Mc/Mac prefix was used (e.g., McHugh); in the lowlands a suffix was used (e.g, Robertson). By the 16th century, the patronymic practice generally stopped with the family adopting a fixed surname.
• occupational -- developed from a person's job or trade, e.g., the three common Scottish surnames of Smith (blacksmith), Stewart (steward) and Taylor (tailor).
• Descriptive Surnames - Based on a unique quality or physical feature of the individual, e.g., Campbell (from caimbeul, meaning "crooked mouth")
Scottish clans, from the Gaelic clann, meaning "family," provided a formal structure for extended families of shared descent. Clans each identified with a geographical area, usually an ancestral castle, and were originally controlled by a Clan Chief, officially registered with the court of the Lord Lyon, King of Arms which controls heraldry and Coat of Arms registration in Scotland. Historically, a clan was made up of everyone who lived on the chief's territory, people for which he was responsible and who, in turn, owed allegiance to the chief. Thus, not everyone in a clan was genetically related to one another, nor did all members of a clan bear a single surname.
Top 100 Scottish surnames:
13. Taylor -- An English occupational name for a tailor, from Old French "tailleur" for "tailor" which comes from the Latin "taliare," meaning "to cut." Taylor is among the most commonly found surnames, due to its popularity as a medieval occupation. Surname Origin: English
24. Davidson -- Definition: Patronymic name meaning "son of David." The given name David comes from Hebrew DAVID = beloved. Surname Origin: English, Welsh, Scottish, French, Portuguese, Czech, and Jewish; Alternate Surname Spellings: DAVISSON, DAVISON, DAVESON, DAVIDSEN, DAVIDSSON
48. Gibson -- Definition: A patronymic name meaning "son of Gibb," which in Middle English was a familiar term for a cat. Surname Origin: English, Scottish; Alternate Surname Spellings: GIBBS, GIBBES
55. Craig -- Definition: From the Gaelic word "creag" or "carraig," meaning 'rock.' In Scotland, many forts were built on massive rock outcroppings, and the surname CRAIG was often used to refer to the people who established or occupied these rocky fortifications. Surname Origin: Scottish, Welsh; Alternate Surname Spellings: CRAIGE, CRAIGH, CREAG, CRAIGHE, CREIGH
75. Crawford -- Definition: Derived from the Gaelic "cru" meaning bloody, and "ford" meaning 'pass or crossing,' the CRAWFORD surname is believed by most to mean a crossing of blood. Believed to be first assumed by the proprietor of the lands and barony of Crawford, in Lanarkshire, Scotland. A possible similar derivation comes from "crawe" meaning 'crow' and "ford" meaning 'pass or crossing.' Surname Origin: Scottish, Norman; Alternate Surname Spellings: CROFFORD, CRAWFFORD, CRAUFURD, CRUFORD
89. Douglas -- Definition: From the Gaelic "dubh" meaning black and "glas" meaning water, this surname was usually used to refer to someone who dwelled by a dark stream; Surname Origin: Scottish; Alternate Surname Spellings: DOUGLASS
100. Hay -- Definition: 1) Fence, enclosure, or hedge 2) high, tall; an English or Scottish place name for a man who lived near an enclosure ("haeg") or "heye," an area of forest fenced off for hunting. Surname Origin: English, Scottish; Alternate Surname Spellings: HAYE, HAYS, HEAS, HEYES, HIGHES, O'HEA, HEASE, HEYES, HEISE.
More information on HAY: Last name origins & meanings:
1. Scottish and English: topographic name for someone who lived by an enclosure, Middle English hay(e), heye (Old English (ge)hæg, which after the Norman Conquest became confused with the related Old French term haye 'hedge', of Germanic origin). Alternatively, it may be a habitational name from any of various places named with this word, including Les Hays and La Haye in Normandy. The Old French and Middle English word was used in particular to denote an enclosed forest. This name was taken to Ireland (County Wexford) by the Normans.
2. Scottish and English: nickname for a tall man, from Middle English hay, hey 'tall', 'high' (Old English heah).
3. Scottish and English: from the medieval personal name Hay, which represented in part the Old English byname Heah 'tall', in part a short form of the various compound names with the first element heah ‘high’.
4. French: topographic name from a masculine form of Old French haye 'hedge', or a habitational name from Les Hays, Jura, or Le Hay, Seine-Maritime.
5. Spanish: topographic name from haya 'beech tree' (ultimately derived from Latin fagus).
6. German: occupational name from Middle High German heie 'guardian', 'custodian' (see Hayer).
7. Dutch and Frisian: variant of Haye
8. The surname Hay is particularly common in Scotland, where it has been established since 1160. The principal family of the name are of Norman origin; they trace their descent from William de la Haye, who was butler of Scotland in the reign of Malcolm IV (1153–65). They hold the titles marquess of Tweeddale, earl of Kinnoul, and earl of Erroll. The earl of Erroll also holds the hereditary office of constable of Scotland, first bestowed on the family by Robert I in 1314.

Kelson newspapers: Patron: I am researching my ancestors who lived in the Kelso area prior to 1811 when they emigrated to America. I know there are three Kelso newspapers that were in operation then: ? Kelso Chronicle, 1783-1784 ? Kelso Mail & Border Gazette for Roxburgh, Selkirk, Berwick & Northumberland, 1797-1945 ? Kelso Weekly Journal, 1808-1829. Do you have the oldest issues of these on microfilm? Is there any way I could inter-library loan a microfilm to America? Any plans to put such information on the internet? Any place else I could access this information? Since they actually lived in Makerstoun and Linton in 1787-1808 it is more of a fishing expedition than true research. I am hoping they might list emigrants, or my family may have moved into Kelso prior to the emigration. Any advice would be most welcome and appreciated. I am researching William and Jane Anne Taylor Hay who were married in Cornhill, Northumberland in 1786 (but paid their consignment in Makerstoun), had one child in Makerstoun the following year, then moved to Linton for 19 years. Thank you again, in advance, for any help. Sincerely, Donna Hay, Los Angeles, USA Librarian 1: Please quote Reference No: 07/2082Q Questionpoint.ID:2664727 Aug 23rd 2007 Dear Ms Hay, Thank you for your recent enquiry regarding several Kelso Newspapers that may help you with your family history. Unfortunately, the National Library has only two issues of one of your titles on microfilm - the 'Kelso Chronicle'. (We have Vol. 1, no.26 (Aug. 29, 1783) and Vol 1. no 53 (Mar.5,1784)). Our research has highlighted, however, that the Borders Regional Library, which covers the area of Scotland that you are interested in, has many more editions on microfilm of the newspaper titles you require, although perhaps not all of the dates I have noted their contact details below. It should be possible for you to request microfilms through the International Inter-Library Lending System. You should approach your local lending library in the first instance to initiate a request. The Borders Library is also an archival and family history centre. Their web-site states that they are willing to accept enquiries on family history through their research centre although they do seem to charge for this facility. I hope that this has been of some assistance to you and I wish you well in your research.

Linton is 4 miles SE of Kelso -- see map. Jane Ann Taylor and William Hay apparently had a 19-year lease on the property there at Old Frogden, ~1790-~1809.

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